tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post6430431141620265138..comments2023-09-10T18:22:08.849+02:00Comments on It always rains in Nuln: Role-playing Rants: Coming to terms with stuff, or why I don't like Warhammer Fantasy anymoreXathrodox86http://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-76490061780649853832017-07-07T01:08:09.862+02:002017-07-07T01:08:09.862+02:00Well, let me just say that I'm glad that you&#...Well, let me just say that I'm glad that you've jumped into the old 'Hammer verse. TW: Warhammer and Vermintide are both very good games. As for the lack of originality and imagination - yeah, it's there allright and I don't like it, but on the other hand it dosen't bug me anymore, as much as it used to. Hell, at least this universe is predictible. You can count on what you know and there's a strong sense of reasurence that nothing vastly anti-climactic will happen.<br /><br />As for the books, you can't go wrong with anything from Dan Abnett, William King and C.L. Werner. Trust me. ;)Xathrodox86https://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-54581176042978607532017-07-06T22:34:51.628+02:002017-07-06T22:34:51.628+02:00I am pretty new to the Warhammer universe (I basic...I am pretty new to the Warhammer universe (I basically really started getting interested in it after playing the Total War and Vermintide adaptations) but I can see where you are coming from. On one hand I like the fact that it plays all of the classic fantasy tropes straight and I also find the over-the-top violence and grimdark themes pretty funny in a twisted way. On the other hand the setting as a whole has a very two-dimensional feel to it. As you have said, elves are arrogant pricks who live thousands of years, dwarfs are grumpy bearded warriors who drink lots of ale, every single Skaven is a cartoonish villain who can't go five minutes without backstabbing someone, etc. I tried reading a couple of the official novels some time ago and found them suffocatingly dull and repetitive. <br /><br />Maybe the problem is that the things that work well in a wargame (easily recognizable factions with a few strong and stereotypical racial themes) put a lot of restrictions on what you can do with the setting in terms or depth and complexity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-33921668440264827002017-05-31T18:06:10.568+02:002017-05-31T18:06:10.568+02:00What is alright, is up to you to decide. If it bri...What is alright, is up to you to decide. If it brings you joy and happiness, then it all that matters. :)<br />As for me - I do like a lot of factions in the Warhammer World, even if they're not particulary original. But that's what is cool about Warhammer - even if something is not original, it can still be a lot of fun. It's like comfort food - you know its taste, smell and consistency so good, that you don't even need to eat it to enjoy it, yet you do and every time you are having a good time. That's exactly how I feel about this world.<br />I do love the Empire (actually have a substantial army of Sigmar's sons and daughters), but also dig Lizardmen a lot, for thei sheer badassery. Dawi Zharr, the Chaos Dwarves, are my long time favorites and I absolutely adore Kislev, for that nice, Eastern Europe flavor. ;)Xathrodox86https://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-67257502637333399922017-05-31T17:57:40.355+02:002017-05-31T17:57:40.355+02:00but i mean, i like Chaos, Empire, Orcs and Lizardm...but i mean, i like Chaos, Empire, Orcs and Lizardmen (marginally with Bretonnia) and i like all their aesthetics even if they are inspired in RL history, (in fact that makes it better to my liking) i mean, is that alright? do you like the Old World factions in some way? (talking about lore & aesthetics here)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-56728237254230708952017-05-31T10:52:51.220+02:002017-05-31T10:52:51.220+02:00I agree with you about the ordinary people, living...I agree with you about the ordinary people, living in the Old World. That was certainly a very cool, very unique way of handling things in a fantasy world, compared to, let's say, DnD. Especially when you take into account the dangers, that an ordinary soldier of the Empire must face. Greenskins, Chaos Warriors, Skaven - the list is long and terrifying. It was much more down to earth, than 40K, not to mention the Age of Sigmar.Xathrodox86https://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-84694585152094027302017-05-30T20:50:31.306+02:002017-05-30T20:50:31.306+02:00listen my man, i like the setting and fluff of the...listen my man, i like the setting and fluff of the The Old World, as most of the human factions seem humble in comparison to say...Sigmarines, as i felt that the planet of WHF was interesting as it was a world with many, MANY races that have different ideologies and cultures, which make the human factions more brave as they fight with their humble tech, sword and magic, it feel like stories bout your average joe against all kinds of dangerous inhuman threats (and the occasional very human threats). the warriors of chaos are also the greatest faction with many interesting characters, that many would say are generic in their lack of personality but i like their aesthetics and consistent characterization, with their vast quantity of badass heroes (until Archaon, which is a badly written mary sue), the lizardmen are also cool with their aesthetics and ancient history, in conclusion you say they seem generic in many ways, but i consider that they wrote their fluff to make the setting more vibrant and alive than their now warcraft/warhammer 40k/cosmic high fantasy crap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-56697141121132414532017-02-27T18:55:11.141+01:002017-02-27T18:55:11.141+01:00It's true. WFB may have been pretty generic, w...It's true. WFB may have been pretty generic, when it came to portraying your typical fantasy, but compared to AoS it truly was a lesser evil.Xathrodox86https://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-58136188116578618352017-02-25T19:00:58.012+01:002017-02-25T19:00:58.012+01:00The only thing worse than Generic Fantasy cribbed ...The only thing worse than Generic Fantasy cribbed from fantasy novels and history is disposing of that and generating something even more generic and unoriginal like Age of Sigmar.<br /><br />Everything has wings? And are immortals with no faces fighting for....er derp? Don't give up your day job. Go back to cribbing, GW, it's all you're good at.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-79634002120968742052016-12-16T12:34:37.587+01:002016-12-16T12:34:37.587+01:00Hi Percy/Aldred! Fancy seeing you here. :)
Well a...Hi Percy/Aldred! Fancy seeing you here. :)<br /><br />Well as you've probably read in my later posts, I've sorta came to terms with my ambigous feelings towards the good, ol' WFRP. Essentialy... they remain the same, as I've described them in this article. However I did understood that, despite its many flaws and bad sides, WFRP still feels like the most comfortable system for me to play. It just clicks. Sure, it's more than a bit rough over the edges, and there are many things that are just bad, but I don't care - I still like running it and playing with it.<br /><br />I will make another post, which will be a continuation of sorts for this one, in which I will explain my feelings in a bit more detail. However to answer your immediate questions:<br /><br />- I would like to see more detailed world i.e. more than just the Old World. There was so much potential in Araby, Ind, Kuresh, Cathay and Nippon, but, sadly, WFRP was too "western-centric" so we've never got anything big, regarding those lands.<br /><br />- I would like to see a proper, officail and full-on sourcebook for Elves. There are many great fan-made books, but it's a shame that the authors never done something like that themselves.<br /><br />- Same with Dwarfs. Sure, "Dwarfs: S&S" is great, but it was made for the 1st edition WFRP.<br /><br />- More campaigns, other than "that and that Chaos cult wants to destroy Altdorf. You'll have to stop it!" Why not making an adventure campaign, where the destination would be Albion or Lustria? Or Sartosa?<br /><br />There are many more things that I could list, but I'll leave that for another post. ;)<br /><br />Take care Aldred<br /><br />Xathrodox86Xathrodox86https://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-64446808998299418232016-12-15T17:09:27.034+01:002016-12-15T17:09:27.034+01:00Hi, I was interested to read this. As a WFRP fan I...Hi, I was interested to read this. As a WFRP fan I disagree (you'do know me better on StS as Aldred Fellblade) but I'd be interested to hear you expand on your thinking here. To my mind there isn'the a better classic fantasy setting than the OW and that is actually it's strength so I've never had any interest in it changing.<br />Nonetheless I'd be curious to know what sort of things you'd have liked to see and what you think the competition is doing better.Blakeneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01287913444349677349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-67634138897766965322016-10-15T20:59:21.623+02:002016-10-15T20:59:21.623+02:00A break is always a good thing, when you're fe...A break is always a good thing, when you're feeling tired with your favorite source material. I think that after a short hiatus, we can always appreciate new things with our favorite games. I certainly began looking at WFRP in a different way, after taking a long break from it. On one hand the things that irk me are still there, but on the other I've realised that nothing is perfect, and that even irritable things can be charming in their own, weird way.Xathrodox86https://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-61621804416468056602016-10-15T08:08:54.621+02:002016-10-15T08:08:54.621+02:00Well. I have dusted off my books (2 edition) again...Well. I have dusted off my books (2 edition) again after 8 years of "long holiday"... and the workld really works for me, perhaps because i both read german and english, and because the players and me tend to gravitate towards "the thin line of humanity against total chaos" style of storytellingPeter Friis Andersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06989568489184253257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-24083380981408061552016-06-19T18:43:36.918+02:002016-06-19T18:43:36.918+02:00Something for something I guess. That's true a...Something for something I guess. That's true and unfortunately it was one of the main reasons why the game tanked. Still, it had a decent run and I'm trying to remember the good times.Xathrodox86https://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-22571393319942193742016-06-19T12:35:36.612+02:002016-06-19T12:35:36.612+02:00Its was always a vehicle for Brits to make bad pun...Its was always a vehicle for Brits to make bad puns and jokes at the expense of the French, German etc. But its irreverent humour and 'everymans' fantasy was also its draw. It made gaming with a European historical bent unintimidating while making the fantasy elements very approachable. thetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09133685566842287635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-50901136754918088752016-05-15T16:53:59.969+02:002016-05-15T16:53:59.969+02:00I agree completely. However, this solution dosen&#...I agree completely. However, this solution dosen't really mean that the game is good or bad, because you can apply it to any RPG/Tabletop game. After all, the imagination is the only thing that can limit us. Even a horrible game can become great, if you apply imagination to it. Some games even encourage this - the classic World of Darkness line for example. Meanwhile WFRP repeated the same tropes over and over again, without really changing them. That was its main problem, or at least one of them.Xathrodox86https://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-34947954391721360572016-05-14T18:14:34.236+02:002016-05-14T18:14:34.236+02:00(Forgive my brevity here but I'm writing on a ...(Forgive my brevity here but I'm writing on a phone which is fiddly.) WFB and WFRP might well be 'beginner games' but that does not mean players have to move on to another system in order to progress and develop as players and GMs, they could stick with the system but take it with them to new levels. New complexities, new interpretations of the Warhammer would. But I think you know this, and you were commenting on the official fluff and the games as published - this how most folk play them.Padrehttp://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php/topic,38528.0.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-88988916289892451892016-04-28T11:58:23.021+02:002016-04-28T11:58:23.021+02:00I agree that the Warhammer World was more "do...I agree that the Warhammer World was more "down to earth" kinda setting, than any of the DnD worlds. However that did not gave it any sort of a free pass for remaining unchanging over all these years. Not to mention the fact, that underneath all the grime and dark atmosphere, it was a fairly ordinary fantasy setting, with nothing truly special and unique. That's why it ended stone dead, unfortunately.Xathrodox86https://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-58262591886231218082016-04-28T05:34:43.933+02:002016-04-28T05:34:43.933+02:00The great thing about Warhammer isn't the orig...The great thing about Warhammer isn't the originality of the elements. It's the way those fantasy staples are combined to create an awesome, iconic setting. <br /><br />If I want to play in a "standard" fantasy setting, one with dwarves, orcs and wizards, the Old World is where it's at. It's a far more vital, believable place than the Forgotten Realms, Eberron or Mystara. <br /><br />IMO "the Old World" is the greatest D&D setting ever published. Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00929885907697119362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-79495539063871970082016-04-24T13:04:28.512+02:002016-04-24T13:04:28.512+02:00Thanks for the proposition, but I do not. These bo...Thanks for the proposition, but I do not. These books have strong, personal value to me. There's a lot of memories associated with them and selling them, even one of them, would be a hard thing for me.Xathrodox86https://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-53297964278016926672016-04-23T01:16:51.679+02:002016-04-23T01:16:51.679+02:00Soooo... If you're not interested in WFRP anym...Soooo... If you're not interested in WFRP anymore, maybe you want to sell some of your RPG stuff? Are you willing to get rid of some of them?Shockwavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02611720949474989221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-67804342714006567772016-04-09T13:55:47.969+02:002016-04-09T13:55:47.969+02:00I know, right? He was this boxer who always used t...I know, right? He was this boxer who always used the same style, on and on and on. Meanwhile his opponents were evolving, learning new tricks. Soon he was so far behind them, that the only option was a hardcore steroid abuse and an inevitable heart attack.Xathrodox86https://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-26449025331080316522016-04-09T03:56:19.639+02:002016-04-09T03:56:19.639+02:00Warhammer Fantasy definitely felt like a middlewei...Warhammer Fantasy definitely felt like a middleweight boxer that somehow got stuck with the heavies. No way was it going to slug it out with it's colleagues as is. Yet it appears it was expected to do just that right up until the euthanasia at the end. Sam Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087456557273404408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-45798488209123298622016-04-05T23:27:20.942+02:002016-04-05T23:27:20.942+02:00Not in the slightest. I plan to continue and expan...Not in the slightest. I plan to continue and expand this blog and write about different aspects of RPG's and tabletop games, including Warhammer Fantast Battle and Roleplay. I just wanted to "let of some steam" and talk openly about my feelings about these games. They're not bad. They're just not... ver good, that's all./ ;)Xathrodox86https://www.blogger.com/profile/13542258686214382921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6461406011459210483.post-1002072261019195222016-04-05T22:51:19.523+02:002016-04-05T22:51:19.523+02:00Is this the end of your WFRP blog?
Will you quit S...Is this the end of your WFRP blog?<br />Will you quit Strike-to-stun? ... :(UltraJosuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05479637005072047137noreply@blogger.com